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Departures Podcast with Sean McFate


The United States spends trillions on its military, but are we really achieving stronger national security?

Not really, says Sean McFate, the author of The New Rules of War, an incisive exploration of what it takes to win today’s wars.

In his conversation with host Robert Amsterdam, McFate argues that the US has become obsessed with outdated conventional warfare, failing to understand that war has transitioned away from billion-dollar fighter jets to a new arena that deals in information and rewards the politically strategic, not just the strong.

For McFate, this failure is compromising our security: “We have other powers reaching in the domain space, finding the seams in the fabric of our society and pulling them apart. That’s what losing looks like.”