Departures Podcast featuring Gavin Sullivan, author of ‘The Law of the List’

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In the wake of the 9/11 terror attacks, a sweeping transition took place across the international counter-terrorism space. Instead of responding to threats with law enforcement, numerous multilateral bodies instead respond with preemptive actions based on uncertain information – lists of names for sanctions are drawn up, very often directly violating basic due process and rights of individuals.

This week on Departures we are proud to feature Gavin Sullivan, the author of “The Law of the List: UN Counterterrorism Sanctions and the Politics of Global Security Law.” In his conversation with Robert Amsterdam, Sullivan discusses how his practice as legal counsel to individuals who had been unproperly listed by the UN Security Council informed his approach to analyzing and defining this sanctions list, and the often devastating impact the clumsy procedure can have on people’s lives.

Featuring numerous interviews with officials directly involved in the UN counter terrorism response apparatus, Sullivan’s book presents a unique and valuable interdisciplinary study of global security law – law which is constantly changing and evolving before our eyes today.